Tuesday, November 15, 2005

NYT Editorial, 11-15-5

I'm copying and posting this editorial, in its entirety, for ammunition the next time somebody claims that Dubya and his Administration did not knowingly twist the intelligence to the public and Congress:

To avoid having to account for his administration's misleading statements before the war with Iraq, President Bush has tried denial, saying he did not skew the intelligence. He's tried to share the blame, claiming that Congress had the same intelligence he had, as well as President Bill Clinton. He's tried to pass the buck and blame the C.I.A. Lately, he's gone on the attack, accusing Democrats in Congress of aiding the terrorists.

Yesterday in Alaska, Mr. Bush trotted out the same tedious deflection on Iraq that he usually attempts when his back is against the wall: he claims that questioning his actions three years ago is a betrayal of the troops in battle today.

It all amounts to one energetic effort at avoidance. But like the W.M.D. reports that started the whole thing, the only problem is that none of it has been true.

Mr. Bush says everyone had the same intelligence he had - Mr. Clinton and his advisers, foreign governments, and members of Congress - and that all of them reached the same conclusions. The only part that is true is that Mr. Bush was working off the same intelligence Mr. Clinton had. But that is scary, not reassuring. The reports about Saddam Hussein's weapons were old, some more than 10 years old. Nothing was fresher than about five years, except reports that later proved to be fanciful.

Foreign intelligence services did not have full access to American intelligence. But some had dissenting opinions that were ignored or not shown to top American officials. Congress had nothing close to the president's access to intelligence. The National Intelligence Estimate presented to Congress a few days before the vote on war was sanitized to remove dissent and make conjecture seem like fact.

It's hard to imagine what Mr. Bush means when he says everyone reached the same conclusion. There was indeed a widespread belief that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons. But Mr. Clinton looked at the data and concluded that inspections and pressure were working - a view we now know was accurate. France, Russia and Germany said war was not justified. Even Britain admitted later that there had been no new evidence about Iraq, just new politics.

The administration had little company in saying that Iraq was actively trying to build a nuclear weapon. The evidence for this claim was a dubious report about an attempt in 1999 to buy uranium from Niger, later shown to be false, and the infamous aluminum tubes story. That was dismissed at the time by analysts with real expertise.

The Bush administration was also alone in making the absurd claim that Iraq was in league with Al Qaeda and somehow connected to the 9/11 terrorist attacks. That was based on two false tales. One was the supposed trip to Prague by Mohamed Atta, a report that was disputed before the war and came from an unreliable drunk. The other was that Iraq trained Qaeda members in the use of chemical and biological weapons. Before the war, the Defense Intelligence Agency concluded that this was a deliberate fabrication by an informer.

Mr. Bush has said in recent days that the first phase of the Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation on Iraq found no evidence of political pressure to change the intelligence. That is true only in the very narrow way the Republicans on the committee insisted on defining pressure: as direct pressure from senior officials to change intelligence. Instead, the Bush administration made what it wanted to hear crystal clear and kept sending reports back to be redone until it got those answers.

Richard Kerr, a former deputy director of central intelligence, said in 2003 that there was "significant pressure on the intelligence community to find evidence that supported a connection" between Iraq and Al Qaeda. The C.I.A. ombudsman told the Senate Intelligence Committee that the administration's "hammering" on Iraq intelligence was harder than he had seen in his 32 years at the agency.

Mr. Bush and other administration officials say they faithfully reported what they had read. But Vice President Dick Cheney presented the Prague meeting as a fact when even the most supportive analysts considered it highly dubious. The administration has still not acknowledged that tales of Iraq coaching Al Qaeda on chemical warfare were considered false, even at the time they were circulated.

Mr. Cheney was not alone. Remember Condoleezza Rice's infamous "mushroom cloud" comment? And Secretary of State Colin Powell in January 2003, when the rich and powerful met in Davos, Switzerland, and he said, "Why is Iraq still trying to procure uranium and the special equipment needed to transform it into material for nuclear weapons?" Mr. Powell ought to have known the report on "special equipment"' - the aluminum tubes - was false. And the uranium story was four years old.

The president and his top advisers may very well have sincerely believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. But they did not allow the American people, or even Congress, to have the information necessary to make reasoned judgments of their own. It's obvious that the Bush administration misled Americans about Mr. Hussein's weapons and his terrorist connections. We need to know how that happened and why.

Mr. Bush said last Friday that he welcomed debate, even in a time of war, but that "it is deeply irresponsible to rewrite the history of how that war began." We agree, but it is Mr. Bush and his team who are rewriting history.

9 Comments:

At 10:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This editorial is wrong in about every way. As usual for comments from the Left.

1. The terrorists/insurgents in Iraq are not trying to defeat the Coalition forces there; they're trying to defeat US public opinion. When US commentators attack the reasons for war, they are also trying to defeat US public opinion. So quite clearly, they are aiding the terrorists and even more so when they do that based on fiction.

2. How could Clinton have "concluded that inspections and pressure were working" when there were no inspections after 1998? Since Clinton was in office for all of 1999 and 2000, perhaps someone can explain how the inspections were continuing to work then, let alone 2001-2002.

3. Re: the alleged Iraqi nuclear program. (a) Britain still stands by their intelligence assessment that Iraq was trying to acquire yellowcake uranium. (b) As we've seen in the Senate committee's report on intelligence, Iraq did seek expanded commerce with Niger, a country that exports only uranium and livestock. Since Iraq wasn't looking for goats, I'm thinking they were interested in uranium. (c) The infamous aluminum tubes story was not dismissed by the experts "with real expertise," or at least not the ones who should have had the most expertise. The Army's Natl. Ground Intel. Center, (NGIC) is the agency that should've had the most expertise, but they blew it. If you prefer to believe that the State Dept is a better repository for intelligence on foreign infantry weapons, go ahead. But I wouldn't advise it.

So, these points are just the short version of how this editorial is built on more falsehoods and illogic than Bush's reasons for war. When the Left can come to grips with these and other facts, perhaps their political standing will improve.

Your anonymous brother.

 
At 9:15 AM, Blogger Brian Stayton said...

1. Really? The insurgents are bombing U.S. public opinion? Perhaps the mind of a suicide bomber is that Machiavellian -- I don't have ANY information -- but it sure appears to me from the body counts that they are out to kill soldiers and civilians in Iraq, not "US public opinion." Is this what Fox News teaches?

2. Let's use after-the-reasoning: since there have been no Iraqi-led WMD attacks in America, ever, apparently Clinton was able to discern from the evidence a clearer picture of our imminent threats then the Boy Idiot in the White House was able to do.

3. (a) Britain still also stands for the proposition that the Boy Idiot Administration was trying to "fix" public opinion for war; (b) Iraq doesn't have goat herders? Who knew? (c) I'm pretty well-read on some of this stuff, but I've never heard of the NGIC. Why wouldn't the State Dep't be a good enough repository for intelligence? I don't know why they aren't qualified. Better than the Feith led committee set up within the White House, I say.

I don't think you've destroyed anything with your short version. The Boy Idiot Administration itself resorted to "Michael Moore liberal wing" personal attacks to combat the NYT editorial -- you might as well go that route too, if this is all you've got.

Last, perhaps you should peruse any of the various polls out there now. It doesn't appear to me that the Left is doing so poorly, especially not in comparison to the Boy Idiot's current numbers.

 
At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. Pay attention to words, please. I didn't say that the terrorists in Iraq were bombing public opinion, did I? I said that the terrorists are trying to defeat public opinion. I'll break this down a bit.

They will never militarily defeat the Coalition forces in Iraq, i.e. cuase enough casualties to render Coalition units ineffective. Their only hope is to convince U.S. public opinion that our cause is hopeless, and use that to cause a withdrawal. That is how terrorism works. Violence is used against one group/target in order to influence another group (i.e. voters, legislators, public opinion in general). When commentators ignore facts to lessen public and political support for the war, they are targeting public opinion, just as the terrorists are.

2. The "boy idiot," as you call him, never said that Iraq was an imminent threat. So, apparently, Clinton and Bush both concluded the same: Iraq was not an imminent threat. Furthermore, maybe there have been no Iraqi-led WMD attacks in American because we finally removed Saddam before they could happen. I am glad that we will never definitively know the answer to that.

3. "a) Britain still also stands for the proposition that the Boy Idiot Administration was trying to "fix" public opinion for war" ME: I'm not sure what this means. As far as I know, every political administration everywhere tries to build public support for their policies. If the Bush administration tried to do this in an unethical or known inaccurate way, please provide some info/links because I don't believe that occurred.

"(b) Iraq doesn't have goat herders? Who knew?" ME: So, if Iraq has goat-herders Iraq must have been seeking to import goats and not uranium? Are you aware of a goat shortage in Iraq? As the Senate report pointed out, Iraq was likely seeking to buy uranium when they talked to Niger. These are facts from a bipartisan report. Maybe you should consider this possibility?

"(c) I'm pretty well-read on some of this stuff, but I've never heard of the NGIC. Why wouldn't the State Dep't be a good enough repository for intelligence? I don't know why they aren't qualified. Better than the Feith led committee set up within the White House, I say." ME: If you had read the Senate report's section on the aluminum tubes, you would have heard of NGIC. The background is that no intelligence agency has sufficient resources to specialize in each and every type of intelligence. Because of this, the workload has been rationalized by a division of responsibilities. While there still is and should be some redundancies, some agencies have been designated as the primary intelligence production center for specific intelligence issues. NGIC is the Army's primary intelligence production center and maintains the most extensive files/databases on foreign ground weapons. They are supposed to be the subject matter experts regarding ground combat forces and weapons. They blew the aluminum tubes issue. They should have known that the aluminum tubes precisely matched the specs for a specific (Italian-made?) rocket that Iraq possessed, but they did not identify this. Since NGIC could not match the specs to an Iraqi rocket, some analysts believed that the tubes must be for another purpose. Neither the State Dept nor any other agency identified the rocket system that matched the tubes, and they should not be expected to do so since they are not funded to maintain such databases. The State Dept and others just refused to believe that the tubes could be modified and used for uranium isotope separation. (I believe that there were other issues related to the nuclear program assessment, which involve the CIA not sharing raw intelligence data with other agencies and CIA contractors saying they were paid to make a specific assessment and not an honest assessment of some issue.)
As far as Feith, if you are aware of intelligence assessments that he made, please provide the info/links. I am unaware of such and believe such claims are just wacko conspiracy theories.

On other issues: "The Boy Idiot Administration itself resorted to "Michael Moore liberal wing" personal attacks to combat the NYT editorial." ME: The administration pointed out that the CIA used nepotism to hire an unqualified, politically-biased non-expert to explore an issue of critical, national importance, and this guy then turned around and lied about the whole event in a deliberate attempt to damage the administration before an election. (See the Senate report's section on this.) The "Michael Moore liberal wing" comment therefore seems rather accurate to me and backed up by known facts, as opposed to name-calling not based in reality.

I think my comments have destroyed the thesis of the column you posted. The column tries to claim that Bush is making up stories when he says that Congress had access to the same intelligence and came to the same conclusion. Any interested Congressmen probably could have accessed over 90% of the intelligence the President saw and the intelligence committee members probably could have accessed 99% or more. But even with 100% access, their conclusion would not have chagned. And of course, to claim that Clinton concluded that inspections were working ignores the fact that inspections stopped in 1998, which knocks a big hole in the column's thesis.

The column also claims some terrible distortion of intelligence on the issue of an Iraqi nuclear program. Well, the Senate report on intelligence pointed out that, contrary to this column, there is still reason to believe that Iraq was seeking uranium and explained the aluminum tube issue as a colossal screw-up by the agencies that should have known better, not a case of ignoring "the real experts." These are just the factual issues with the column's first half. I thought that sufficient to render the column as lacking in fact and therefore not credible.

If you think there are facts that rebut my claims, please provide the info or links. But I don't think you'll find such info, least of all in reputable sources like the Senate committee's bipartisan report.

your anonymous brother

 
At 10:14 AM, Blogger Brian Stayton said...

From Sunday's Washington Post, written by former Senator Bob Graham:

In the past week President Bush has twice attacked Democrats for being hypocrites on the Iraq war. "[M]ore than 100 Democrats in the House and Senate, who had access to the same intelligence, voted to support removing Saddam Hussein from power," he said.

The president's attacks are outrageous. Yes, more than 100 Democrats voted to authorize him to take the nation to war. Most of them, though, like their Republican colleagues, did so in the legitimate belief that the president and his administration were truthful in their statements that Saddam Hussein was a gathering menace -- that if Hussein was not disarmed, the smoking gun would become a mushroom cloud.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/
AR2005111802397.html

I don't have the time, energy, or inclination to go ferret more sources that you will sway your closed mind. Perhaps Dubya never said "Iraq is an imminent threat" -- but he and his ilk certainly implied that the threat was imminent.

It wasn't. The former Senator's position seems much more accurate.

 
At 7:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny that you pointed to that column. I saw it this morning and thought it proved my point, showing that the column you originally posted was wrong.

Senator Graham had access to enough intelligence that he doubted the claims and so he voted against the resolution authorizing force. Since intelligence exists to deal with uncertainty, it's not surprising that some would disagree with conclusions or the need for action based on the conclusions.

Our elected representatives are not elected to trust the executive branch. If that is what the country needs, we wouldn't even need a legislative branch. Graham was conscientious enough to research the issues and made his decision. So, at a minimum, I think his column proves that the members of both (House and Senate) intelligence committees have no one to blame but themselves if they voted "wrong" on that resolution.

I think Victor Davis Hanson summed up the vote pretty well: "The prewar speeches of aJay Rockefeller and Hillary Clinton sparked and sizzled with somber warnings about biological and chemical arsenals — and, yes, nuclear threats growing on the horizon. Politicians voted for war at a time of post-9/11 furor and fear, when anthrax was thought to have been scattered in our major cities and the hysteria over its traces evacuated government buildings. In response, the Democrats beat their breasts to prove that they could out-macho the "smoke-em-out" and "dead-or-alive" president in laying out the case against Saddam Hussein, especially after the successful removal of the Taliban." Full column at: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200511180818.asp

 
At 11:39 PM, Blogger Brian Stayton said...

The original point of this whole exchange is that there are those of Dubya's administration who have pointedly, tellingly, knowingly, and with malice aforethought chose to manipulate and distort intelligence to bolster their pre-ordained decision to invade Iraq. Go ahead, "pay attention to words, please," re-read the NYT editorial. The issue is not whether smarter heads should have prevailed, even based on the 2003 intelligence; the point is that, before and after, the current Administration has made it a point to manipulate official reports, exaggerate the sparse and scant information they did have, and generally blow smoke to make a case for invasion that should not have been made.

Graham's editorial proves the above, although he makes his conclusion much more tactfully than I have chosen to express it. The mere fact that there are those -- including yours truly -- who thought the invasion was a mistake, then or now, does NOT establish that Dubya or his Adminstration has ever told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

But maybe it all comes down to how you define "truth." Sort of reminds me of a different president's weasel attempts at asking rhetorically, "It all depends upon what 'is' is".

Neither attempt at avoiding the "truth" is objectively defensible.

 
At 10:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The original point of this whole exchange is that there are those of Dubya's administration who have pointedly, tellingly, knowingly, and with malice aforethought chose to manipulate and distort intelligence to bolster their pre-ordained decision to invade Iraq. "

While your intro to the original editorial went that direction, the point of the editorial was to claim that Bush is distorting when claiming that everyone believed Iraq to have WMD back in 2003. That is not a distortion.

Once again, I must point to the Senate committee's report on WMD-Intelligence that explained the screwups and uncovered no evidence that the administration manipulated or distorted intelligence, let alone that they did so "pointedly, tellingly, knowingly, and with malice aforethought." Why do you continue to ignore the results of this investigation?

Intelligence is not the search for truth. If that was the case, even now our intelligence could not definitively ascertain the history of Iraq's WMD programs. If you think it is necessary for an intelligence assessment to reach a conclusion without any doubt, than there is little reason to have an intelligence community. The need for intelligence, in this context, is always due to uncertainty that cannot be eliminated. Not mentioning the footnotes of a minority of dissenting opinions is hardly distorting or manipulating. After all, it was Saddam's job to prove that he had quit the WMD programs, not ours.

The only reason to pay the immense costs for our intelligence system is to use their assessments as a basis for action. Otherwise, we could have just waited for a nice mushroom cloud to appear.

So, like that Senate committee investigation, I fail to see any manipuation or distortion. Yes, Bush highlighted only the conclusions and not the dissents of a minority of those involved. Calling that distortion or manipulation is a grotesque overstatement.

 
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